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Re: West Virginia teachers strike [Re: SNIPERBBB] #6181330
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Why don't we advocate for all teachers and school related employees be trained and carry arms and then because of the nature of the increased training, need and risk that we form a very strong public union for all school staff. That way the union people are happy and the 2nd amendment advocates will be too.
We could then look at a combination of military compensation for time and grade along with mid management in similar firms and I just bet there would be a considerable increase in the compensation for teachers and staff nationwide.

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Re: West Virginia teachers strike [Re: Kyt] #6181375
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Originally Posted By: Kyt
I personally know a WV teacher who has 2 kids and qualifies for food stamps and WIC or whatever that program is. If you don't want to believe that is the case, I can't blame you. I didn't want to believe it either.
That WV Gazette article is good information, especially if you read the whole article. One thing it says is the percentage of educator's compensation above the median for the state is helped by THE LOW MEDIAN INCOME IN THE STATE. And also that good teachers can't be attracted and retained when compensation is so low. And that there is a direct correlation between competitive teacher compensation and overall quality of education.
Actually teachers are entitled. They are entitled to fair pay and fair management and a safe work environment. It doesn't take much digging into the facts and news of school shootings to see they are not being treated fairly.
For those who say the solution is to move to somewhere that pays more--that is one way to avoid the problem. Then those who remain can endure the unfixed problem. An education system going downhill more every day. Or you can "take arms against a sea of troubles, and by opposing, end them".



Kyt, there's a big difference between WIC and SNAP. WIC is "Women Infants and Children." It is designed for people to get food for newborns and younger children. Mainly stuff like formula pedalyte, and milk. My wife and I made over $100K the year our son was born and qualified for it.


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Re: West Virginia teachers strike [Re: elkaholic] #6181382
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Originally Posted By: elkaholic
Originally Posted By: Kyt
I personally know a WV teacher who has 2 kids and qualifies for food stamps and WIC or whatever that program is. If you don't want to believe that is the case, I can't blame you. I didn't want to believe it either.
That WV Gazette article is good information, especially if you read the whole article. One thing it says is the percentage of educator's compensation above the median for the state is helped by THE LOW MEDIAN INCOME IN THE STATE. And also that good teachers can't be attracted and retained when compensation is so low. And that there is a direct correlation between competitive teacher compensation and overall quality of education.
Actually teachers are entitled. They are entitled to fair pay and fair management and a safe work environment. It doesn't take much digging into the facts and news of school shootings to see they are not being treated fairly.
For those who say the solution is to move to somewhere that pays more--that is one way to avoid the problem. Then those who remain can endure the unfixed problem. An education system going downhill more every day. Or you can "take arms against a sea of troubles, and by opposing, end them".



Kyt, there's a big difference between WIC and SNAP. WIC is "Women Infants and Children." It is designed for people to get food for newborns and younger children. Mainly stuff like formula pedalyte, and milk. My wife and I made over $100K the year our son was born and qualified for it.


Exactly. There's a big difference between a single person making $50k a year and a mother with 2 children making $50k a year. There many factors that go into the equation, not strictly salary amount.

Re: West Virginia teachers strike [Re: wkimble1] #6181581
03/08/18 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted By: wkimble1
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As a teacher in WV who participated in the strike, some of these comments are horrible and misguided at best.

Wkimble1 has no idea but has some good straw man arguments.

Antigov spewing indoctrination ideas he saw on fox news is just as bad.


Please enlighten us then. Apparently teaching is the only profession in which people work hard and are underpaid.


Yes , please give us your version since you were there !

I don't qet Fox News so please tell me what you have against them while your at it


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Re: West Virginia teachers strike [Re: ~ADC~] #6181693
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Teachers work 9.


None of them I know of only work 9. Most get 4-5 weeks off, same as my buddy who drives a fork lift in a factory, for the same money.

You simply do not know what you're talking about. Go talk to a few teachers. They put in countless hours/days/weeks of unpaid overtime and are doing one of the most important jobs in the world.


4-5 weeks off? In the summer? Cmon man. That’s just false. Most of my family are teachers. If they are not golfing....they are fishing. Almost anyone can teach. Get a successful business person who has actually done the job and let them teach...without the mandatory teacher training scams at college. Nobody needs to go to college for four years to teach reading....or math...or anything else. Education was never supposed to be a function of government. It should all be privatized.

Re: West Virginia teachers strike [Re: Art S] #6181699
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ArtS. no, I'm saying teachers in WV are not being paid as much because of poor management and neglect.

Re: West Virginia teachers strike [Re: AntiGov] #6181705
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Can you name one country in the world other than possibly a third world country were education isn't publicly funded?


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Re: West Virginia teachers strike [Re: Iowagian] #6181707
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When I spent my 10 years on the local K-12 School Board I heard many things regarding teachers and their situations and much from fellow BOD members. Many teachers also taught 4-8 weeks of summer school at the reduced rate or many also took Graduate level courses etc. to maintain their license or get an MS etc. There were also several who had many summer businesses, such as painting, carpentry, roofing etc. and some of he BOD members criticized them for taking jobs away from others and some like many on here criticize the teachers for having nothing to do during the long summer. I guess one is dam*ed if you do and dam*ed if you don't. It is still America whether you are a teacher or not and listened to your own drummer and let the others beat on their own.

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Re: West Virginia teachers strike [Re: AntiGov] #6181715
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elkaholic, if a teacher in WV was making 100 grand a year they wouldn't care if they qualified for WIC. But the fact is they qualify for public assistance AND WIC. And most are making below the average salary. Administration personnel like principals, etc make the average higher but that is not the line teachers.

Re: West Virginia teachers strike [Re: AntiGov] #6181734
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Re: West Virginia teachers strike [Re: AntiGov] #6181736
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Iowagian, The world is full of people who can successfully do a lot of things-- but many are absolutely HORRIBLE teachers. I can think of several i've known who were craftsmen, business men, etc. and experts in their field. Honestly they couldn't teach anybody anything. They were mostly consumed with demonstrating to all how good THEY were. There are exceptions, but they are rare. If you want to take an already stressed education system and make it worse, put untrained teachers in it-- that'll fix it but good.
And who says education was never supposed to be a function of government? If you don't go to a private school or home school, who runs a competent public education system? I get it--who needs that anyway. I've known two people in my life who were taught that way. Neither could read or write.

Re: West Virginia teachers strike [Re: FairbanksLS] #6181743
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Originally Posted By: gray dog
Can you name one country in the world other than possibly a third world country were education isn't publicly funded?



Publicly funded and publicly run are two very separate things. You can use public funds to subsidize private schools. The US does very little of that, unlike many first world countries.

http://edpolicy.education.jhu.edu/public...y-implications/

https://nces.ed.gov/pubs/eiip/eiip45s1.asp

Re: West Virginia teachers strike [Re: AntiGov] #6181754
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We entrust teachers with such an important job that I wouldn't think they were overpaid if their salaries were double what they are.

The "liberal mind rot" stupidity has reared its ugly, ignorant head one too many times, so far as I'm concerned.

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Re: West Virginia teachers strike [Re: AntiGov] #6181766
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I believe the US spends more money on education than any country yet we rank 24th out of 40 countries tested. How is that possible?

Re: West Virginia teachers strike [Re: James] #6181769
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Originally Posted By: Rat Masterson
I believe the US spends more money on education than any country yet we rank 24th out of 40 countries tested. How is that possible?


No child left behind here. Not so in other countries.

Originally Posted By: James
We entrust teachers with such an important job that I wouldn't think they were overpaid if their salaries were double what they are.

The "liberal mind rot" stupidity has reared its ugly, ignorant head one too many times, so far as I'm concerned.

Jim


Pains me to agree with Jim but he's spot on here.

Trying to teach some of you gives me even more respect for what teachers do. laugh

Re: West Virginia teachers strike [Re: James] #6181783
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Originally Posted By: James
We entrust teachers with such an important job that I wouldn't think they were overpaid if their salaries were double what they are.

The "liberal mind rot" stupidity has reared its ugly, ignorant head one too many times, so far as I'm concerned.

Jim



Now that's a real surprise coming from you jimmy


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Re: West Virginia teachers strike [Re: AntiGov] #6181799
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The "liberal mind rot" stupidity has reared its ugly, ignorant head one too many times, so far as I'm concerned.

Really?,..for you?,...I agree, they will be marching-un-marked,for a few weeks now!

The human brain falls short of development until,..when early twenties.

Re: West Virginia teachers strike [Re: Rat Masterson] #6181806
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Originally Posted By: Rat Masterson
I believe the US spends more money on education than any country yet we rank 24th out of 40 countries tested. How is that possible?


If those numbers are correct then I agree.

We seem to be #1 in the world at throwing money at problems and getting no results.

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I have no reason to question those numbers,...is there someone that would?

Re: West Virginia teachers strike [Re: AntiGov] #6181836
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Should those without children receive a tax break. Why should they pay for your school vouchers?


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